Tuesday, April 22, 2008

Reply to rakyat pahang:

1. YB Chuah Boon Seong, is it wrong for an ex State Assemblyman to do community services to the rakyat?
chuah: No, I didn't say that.

2. Does this means that when you YB Chuah are not a State Assemblyman anymore you will leaves the rakyat and don't care for their plights and needs anymore?
chuah: The answer is already there. 假如我已经不再担任州议员或是国会议员,假如我还有经济能力,不担心生活费,而且还有服务的意愿,我还是会以马华党员或在党内担任的职位去服务党,服务人民和处理党内的事务。
Add chuah: 我会很愿意的协助现有的马华议员去进行他们的服务工作(假如他们需要的话),而且他们也是需要通过工作表现来获得选民的认同的,必须给他们机会,千万不要踩他们。这才是正确的心态。假如是反对党议员胜出的话,我们就有不同的立场,主要还是监督反对党议员的工作。马华的工作还是要进行的,因为马华还有很多支持者呀!

3. Then we should reconsider whether you are fit to be our wakil rakyat.
chuah: No comment.The 12th GE results speaks for itself.

4. Your comment on Kuantan's Ti Lian Ker shows that you YB Chuah is a irresponsible wakil rakyat coz your comment tell us that once you are no longer a wakil rakyat then you will never look into our needs and plights.
chuah: Answer same as above, no. 2

5. You are the one that should wake up, be mature and stop meddling other people life!!!
chuah: I am awake and have a sound mind. I was expressing how I felt on a Nanyang Report,which was for public consumption, that's it, I have no right and I am not meddling other people life.

20 comments:

Anonymous said...

rakyat pahang,不要乱套彭亨子民的名义,你比猪更不如(不好意思,污辱的猪兄弟),蔡文祥有讲错吗?你去叫郑联科用脑想想啦,要批评人家,先照照镜子,看看自己讲什么鸟话

全力支持YB蔡文祥的回应

Anonymous said...

那是豬的朋友狗的留言。狗看到自己的影子都會吠,更何況看到主人給這麼多人shoot。支持蔡文祥,馬華的良心。

A Sad MCA Supporter said...

I wonder how will your children react when they read this blog? All adults here are acting cute on the internet including their PAPA!

I think Chuah and Ti are the BEST politicians but the worst fathers to their juniors because you have forgotten how to set example. How can both of you serve the people in your constituency when your energy have been wasted on nagative phrases in this blog?

I used to hold politicians in high regard especially those of you from MCA, but today I pitty all of you who are behaving worse than a child in this blog!

Instead of using the blog to create positive awareness for your party and yourself, both Chuah and Ti are making use of the platform
to tarnish image of MCA and themselves.

Well done and Bravo for being such a laughing stock to the opposition!

I sympathise all of you, MCA, for having an internal fight openly like this. This shows regression in mentality of our MCA leaders because you have misused a very useful weapon called BLOG!

Bear in mind that a Blog is a weapon to build you your name but it is also a tool to tarnish yourself if you mismanage it.

Anonymous said...

All MCA Leaders,

SHAMEFUL!

Please mind your language!

becool~ said...

Reply to YB Chuah for “Reply to rakyat pahang”

1. YB Chuah Boon Seong, is it wrong for an ex State Assemblyman to do community services to the rakyat?
chuah: No, I didn't say that.

Reply 2 YB Chuah:
1a) 你确实说了:你的文章第三段第一行:“不过,大家也不要忘记了,人民既然选出 YB Fuziah Salleh担任关丹的国会议员,YB Fuziah 也是有她的责任和工作的,郑联科倒不必争着抢着国会议员的工作来做”

2. Does this means that when you YB Chuah are not a State Assemblyman anymore you will leaves the rakyat and don't care for their plights and needs anymore?
chuah: The answer is already there. 假如我已经不再担任州议员或是国会议员,假如我还有经济能力,不担心生活费,而且还有服务的意愿,我还是会以马华党员或在党内担任的职位去服务党,服务人民和处理党内的事务。
Add chuah: 我会很愿意的协助现有的马华议员去进行他们的服务工作(假如他们需要的话),而且他们也是需要通过工作表现来获得选民的认同的,必须给他们机会,千万不要踩他们。这才是正确的心态。假如是反对党议员胜出的话,我们就有不同的立场,主要还是监督反对党议员的工作。马华的工作还是要进行的,因为马华还有很多支持者呀!

Reply 2 YB Chuah:
2a) . 根据YB Chuah您在您说话的第一段第一行:“如果这样的话, 拿督郑联科“已经不再担任州议员或是国会议员,假如__ __ 还有经济能力,不担心生活费,而且还有服务的意愿,__ __还是会以马华党员或在党内担任的职位去服务党,服务人民和处理党内的事务。”
拿督郑联科不是在进行你所赞同的事情吗?

2b) 文中“Add chuah: 我会很愿意的协助现有的马华议员去进行他们的服务工作(假如他们需要的话),而且他们也是需要通过工作表现来获得选民的认同的,必须给他们机会,千万不要踩他们。这才是正确的心态。”
我十分赞同YB Chuah所讲的。但是回顾南洋全文,请问拿督郑联科在哪一个段落“踩”了“现有马华州议员一脚”?

2c) 在《南洋》文中第八段抄录如下:“无论如何,新人陈汉祥也在該选区胜出,两人也表明会继续配合与合作,为选民华社服务。 ”
这不是表明拿督郑联科与YB陈将会继续合作,以民、以华社、以马华服务吗?请问这是“踩”吗?YB Chuah,请不要断章取义!


3. Then we should reconsider whether you are fit to be our wakil rakyat.
chuah: No comment.The 12th GE results speaks for itself.

Reply to YB Chuah:
3a) 让我以事实告诉您:2004年大选您所得选票是7316, DAP得3360,多数票是: <3956>,这一次2008年大选您的得选票是6321, 独立人士863, DAP得3882,多数票是:<2439>,如果以上一届所得选票为主,您的多数票在这一届里减少了 38.35%。
我十分赞同您的答案:成绩确实回答您!这或许也是您选区人民的心声吗?


4. Your comment on Kuantan's Ti Lian Ker shows that you YB Chuah is a irresponsible wakil rakyat coz your comment tell us that once you are no longer a wakil rakyat then you will never look into our needs and plights.
chuah: Answer same as above, no. 2

Reply to YB Chuah:
4a) 请参考我的答案:2a, 2b 和2C.


5. You are the one that should wake up, be mature and stop meddling other people life!!!
chuah: I am awake and have a sound mind. I was expressing how I felt on a Nanyang Report,which was for public consumption, that's it, I have no right and I am not meddling other people life.

Reply to YB Chuah:
5a) 我十分赞同您的看法,您确实是在表达自己的看法。但前提是:身为马华同志、身为“昔日战友”、尤其是处在马华形象积弱,极须要重塑我党形象,并以实际情况来“以民所思,求民所欲”时。在自己本身的部落格来对“昔日战友”(不是战友,也不可能不认识吧?)推井下石,时机不是很恰当吧?

6) 另外,我在您的部落格里看到其他的人的回函,我认同这确实不是您所能控制的。(不过身为版主,你有权删除任何不以摆事实、讲道理的方式来探讲某一件事,而是以漫骂方式为主的文章。或许您也不想降低您的部落“格”吧?

a sad mca supporter said...

Good Comment! I totally agree with Becool!

Everyone, Becool Man!

Rakyat Pahang said...

YB Chuah,

You said that you have no rights and not meddling other's life but you have actually started this in your blog.I personally think this is very personal and it looks like you hold some grudges againts Dato Ti.What's that inspire you to launch this personal attack as both of you are in two different Division and hundreds over kilometers away? Isn't this an act of interfering? This blog of yours is not for public consumption but with a total image tarnishing agenda. YB, please make good use of your blog instead of tarnishing our own people. Fight for our MCA course not fight among our own MCA people!!!! Your action have contributes to the failure MCA.. Your actions also proofs that to the public that MCA people always fight among themselves. No wonder we face hard time to get new members!!! I don't think you are awake or in sound of mind but a power crazy politician...

Anonymous said...

becool~ said... 2c) 在《南洋》文中第八段抄录如下:“无论如何,新人陈汉祥也在該选区胜出,两人也表明会继续配合与合作,为选民华社服务。 ”
这不是表明拿督郑联科与YB陈将会继续合作,以民、以华社、以马华服务吗?请问这是“踩”吗?YB Chuah,请不要断章取义!
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拿督,请问下,怎样叫“继续配合与合作,为选民华社服务。 ”?日前您率领一群教友会见州秘书商讨有关教堂扩建的事及在教堂举行的研讨会时,您是否有想过要与陈汉祥和彭子明配合与合作???!!!
从头到尾您都在玩个人英雄主意!!
拿督,您有没真诚为民服务大家心知肚明!!

Anonymous said...

“因为拿督胡亚桥输了啊……所以我取代他(I take over the parlimen)照顾马华关丹区国会议员服务中心。” 对于郑联科的这言论深感遗憾!难道关丹那两个州议员(新人陈汉祥/旧人彭子明)是白选了吗?郑联科这项嚣张的态度,摆明把党员及人民当着透明,完完全全把民主践踏在他的脚底下。现在,我认为身为区会主席的他,在目前这期间应该全力去重振马华党员的士气, 照顾服务中心不是他的主要责任,毕竟服务中心仍然有一群职员尽心尽力为民服务。
郑联科先生请您用脑想想啦。难道关丹就没有人可以当区会主席了吗?
拿督,你有機會做州議員,已經夠多了,很多人想做,想到流口水都沒機會呢?看開一點啦,不要再搞破壞了,不要成為馬華的罪人

Anonymous said...

郑联科每次对报章讲的话,假如出了问题,永远都是记者的错.采访郑联科的记者成了"真可怜",难道"真可怜"是病毒?会传染给其他人?

讲错话永远不认错,永远都是错在记者.要怪就怪记者太老实了,永远都会据实报道,不会帮郑联科过滤

假如不怪记者,那再怪这些华文报的主管没有某报经理那么厉害,会"自动"为主人过虑新闻,永远呈现完美的一面.

某报经理是谁,大家应该心里有数吧?

BeCool~ said...

回答anonymous有关...."日前您率领一群教友会见州秘书商讨有关教堂扩建的事及在教堂举行的研讨会时,您是否有想过要与陈汉祥和彭子明配合与合作???!!!
从头到尾您都在玩个人英雄主意!!
拿督,您有没真诚为民服务大家心知肚明!"

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我想与anonymous先生探讨以下问题:(我十分希望YB Chuah会让这篇稿出现。我以马华党员为荣,我更希望可以体现马华党员据理力争的精神,谢谢)

1) 这宗教堂扩建的案子是在什么“开始”进行的?是在几年前拿督郑的手里开始的,还是YB陈汉祥的手里开始的?还是YB彭的手里?

2) 我相信土地局里的档案应该十分清楚地列明案子开档的时间、日期、联系人、申请人、与当时是由哪一位州议员跟进的?

3) 我不想把教堂牵涉在内,以免使教堂扩建的事件变为更加棘手。毕竟教堂的扩建是上帝的荣耀。但是如果可以更加理智地想想:为何在进行研讨会时会邀请拿督郑继续跟进,而不是邀请YB陈与YB彭列席呢?

4) 除了开档的日期与时间外,也请问确实案子的批准日期是在什么时候?是在上一届任期之间,还是在这一届大选之后?我相信土地局里的档案将会说明一切。您可以去查查。

5) YB陈与YB彭在整件教堂扩建的负责部分是什么?请说明。如果他们有出过一份力量,而拿督郑没有共享的话,您的话就有力量。不过,我确确实实要说的是:如果没有的话,这样对之前跟进的、提供协助的人(拿督郑联科)不是很不公平吗?互相配合,也应该是指在某件事上分别进行着不同的工作,而在完工时,共享荣耀。如果只是单方面付出,然后再由大家“分享”的话,我想这于理不合吧?

6) 我不建议把YB陈汉祥牵涉在教堂扩建中,这样对他不公平。对于YB陈在当选后的亲力亲为,我有着十分高的期待。而且这宗案子是在他当选之前,没有跟进,并不是YB陈的错。我认为公道一点,给YM陈一点时间、一点宽容。不过,对于已连任的YB彭,凭什么来分一杯羹?

7) 平心而论, 我认为三位(拿督郑、YB蔡、YB陈)在工作表现上会让我对他们有期待、对马华有期待。

如果由于“派别”不同而让马华优秀领袖自相殘杀的话,我会以马华党员身份而感到羞耻。

我期待三人有表现、以理服人、表现出我马华的风骨。我为这次风波感到十分十分遗憾。尤其是枪口真的不应该向内!我相信其他华团人士也不希望看到这一幕。其实,难道我们还没有从这次大选中得到教训:最重要不是你在部落格或报章讲什么,而是领袖在做什么?因为选民平时不会出声,只会在大选时用选票说话呀!

从另一个角度来看:拿督郑如果真的没有表现或贡献的话,不会有人民继续要求服务。一眛抹劳黑,并不会改变人民对他的看法。

而我对YB陈再加勉励,希望他继续提高为民服务的士气。给他一点时间、给他一点宽容,以关丹人的身份祝福他。

YB蔡的部落格“不经意”地引起了这次讨论,我想部落是红了,但还是要提升“格”,不要让粗言污语弄脏您的部落格,(我在想:如果支持我的人是以粗言污语来表达的话,这只会降低我本身而已)。如果能把您的部落格转换成以更严肃、更理性的讨论平台的话,这也不失一个好机会。我对于YB蔡个人也有着很高的期待,我从他的部落格里看到许多为民服务的记录。我也祝福您,继续您的服务、也继续您的斯文敦厚形象!继续为文德甲人加油!

我祝福三位。

mkab said...

回应Becool~君:我从您的回答方式,看到了马华的风范~这让我改变了对马华草根基层的素质的看法!

马华加油!Becool~加油!

.....不过,您为什么只祝福“三位”呢? how about the 'another one'......?

Anonymous said...

YB Chuah,

鹬蚌相争,渔翁得利! The 渔翁 is definitely neither you nor your party.

Both of you (YB Chuah and Datuk Ti) have your own team of supporters and a few are non-politicians or probably reporters.

You have opened up this platform for these supporters to vent their frustrations either on Datuk Ti or yourself, but what benefit do you get at the end of the day?

These supporters should have their own blog each to voice their thoughts instead of using your blog and your name to elaborate issues on your behalf unless you see nothing is wrong with it and allow or agree for them to do so.

If this is the case, then I would think that you are too generous to have lent your name and your blog to these supporters to vent their personal anger in the pretext of supporting you or supporting Datuk Ti. At the end of the day, nobody knows who they are as all the commentaries are signed off by anonymous visitors without real identities, but you, YB Chuah Boon Seong will be the only one bearing all consequences should there be any.

I suggest that you close this chapter of your blog as it is getting to nowhere for yourself. Even if it is getting to somewhere, it is definitely not somewhere you wanted it to be. Cheers!

Anonymous said...

有多少个真正的抱持着孔子的思想,诚以待人?为人为民的真正付出,,,。。。任劳任怨呢?。。。。默默的耕耘呢?。。。。。只有老天知道。。。。送个「魂』给我们的几位YB贤君。。。。不好忘记了我们是为民族的。。。我们自己华人本身都要斗个你死我活。。。。。何必呢??。。。。人必自辱。。然后人辱之。。。。。铭记。。。。三思啊!!

rakyat pahang said...

becool

i really hope that your comments wakes everybody up!!! you are a sensible guy and you should be the YB........... bravo
if i know who you are, i'll give you my vote.........

mkab said...

我认为Becool~君应该是只注重在文中的三位主角,所以末尾只祝福三位.....

不然的话,不是全部所有州议员、州行政议员、国会议会一一再来祝福一次.....? anonymous不要拨火!

你在部落格里的言行,实在令人讨厌。你丢了部落格的level。反省啦!我看你也不是真的支持YB Chuah,你只是不爽Dato Ti,然后乘机兴风作浪!你这样写,只是害死我们文德甲人...你要写就学学人家Becool~不要让我们的部落格丢脸!

有本事,摆出事实,说出道理!不然回家抱老婆去!

Anonymous said...

BeCool~ said... 从另一个角度来看:拿督郑如果真的没有表现或贡献的话,不会有人民继续要求服务。一眛抹劳黑,并不会改变人民对他的看法。
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老兄,大家都知道"多"少位人民要他服務吧...拿督,捫心自問..您在意社會地位還是真心服務??你在人民需要幫助時打了多少次官腔??"這些事是沒辦法的,政府官員的工作態度是這樣了的...."..."華人要改變,不要大小事都來找我..."這類的官腔聽太多...麻木了

Anonymous said...

致:拿督郑联科先生及文德甲区州议员蔡文祥先生

郑联科先生,因为您这句话“因为拿督胡亚桥输了啊……所以我取代他(I take over the parlimen)照顾马华关丹区国会议员服务中心。” 。对于文德甲区州议员蔡文祥在其部落格发表的言论搞到彭亨州满城风雨,讥讽双方的言論,已引發淡马鲁马华及关丹马华同志不满及还击。甚至可能把这件事旷达至中央。直到目前为止,在蔡氏部落格留言的网友们已经达到50人以上。在看了部落格所有的留言;有些是在挺蔡而有些则是挺郑。又或者是其他政党的网友们的留言。不管是挺蔡或者挺郑也好。为了党目前的利益。我看见好就收,不要再shoot " 来"shoot " 去。。。。好看么? 再这样下去华人更像一盘散沙,不能团结。做好本份就好。。我们华人要团结,,,要不然,我看连州议员都没有的做,或者会沦落到像印尼那样。给人欺负。

而我本人则认为,现在目前最主要的是马华内里内外都要团结一致而不需要去互相残杀。身为马华同志、。没有必要为了这些言论而去互相攻击。尤其是处在马华形象积弱的现在;马华不是应该要重新塑造积弱的形象吗?

奉劝郑联科先生一句。如果您不满中央的决定。您可以仿效李家全的做法。可您对您会更好。如有说错,在此道歉。

小貓 said...

哇,我離開彭亨不到一年,竟然發生那麼轟動的事情,感慨...撇開官職名譽的話,有哪個政治人物真正願意走進人群為民服務的?
人,很渺小而已!不要以為有頭銜就高人一等,甚麼拿督、YB只不過是過眼雲煙,如果你過得不快樂,給你搶盡風頭有如何?

小貓 said...

哇,我離開彭亨不到一年,竟然發生那麼轟動的事情,感慨...撇開官職名譽的話,有哪個政治人物真正願意走進人群為民服務的?
人,很渺小而已!不要以為有頭銜就高人一等,甚麼拿督、YB只不過是過眼雲煙,如果你過得不快樂,給你搶盡風頭有如何?